tfdsafI don't even believe this. There is no way Nvidia is outselling AMD in 2025. However they are measuring this data it must be wrong. No one wants the 5070 and 5070ti at these prices and even your average pc dumbass knows bad value and at least delays buying a new pc for half a year or a year.

If only there was a way to find this information. I’m thinking about a global network that companies would have some kind of presence on. And when companies reported their financial information - like sales - to various government agencies, they could report them on this network also. Then anyone could get access to this information.

You know what level two would be? I imagine this global network could even store instructions on how to read and interpret those financial reports the companies provide. That way people could educate themselves.

Man, that’s some science fiction stuff, eh?

Tomorrow20% i could believe. 50% - no.

As for the steam stats:
4090 is at 0.90% at #28th place.
3090 is at 0.48% at #49th place.
5090 does not even appear in the list.

Only 3070 appears on the TOP10. No other 70, 80 or 90 class card is in the TOP10.

2070, 2070S, 2080, 2080S and 2080 Ti combined are only 2,55%. This is less than any of the top 7 cards individually. Not exactly 50% of the market.
3070 variants, 3080 variants and 3090 combined fare better at 7,51% combined.
4070 variants, 4080 variants and 4090 combined are at 9,79% combined.
5070 variants and 5080 combined are only at 1,5% combined.

Combining all these percentages for the 20, 30, 40 and 50 series cards results at 21,35%
Like i said. 20% i could believe, but it's nowhere near 50% like you claim.

Im sure its' higher than 20, but sure, let's go with it., steam stats include non dGPUs.

TomorrowWhat cards you are talking about specifically?
I assume you mean 5060 Ti that launched in April vs 9060 XT that launched in June?

Also 5060 Ti 8 has MSRP of $379. Im pretty sure for most of it's time it was not even available below 400.
So you saying that Nvidia spent months selling 300 to 400 GPU's is false. There was initially very little stock and prices were 400+
By the time they got stock up and prices came down 9060 XT launch was already imminent.

A for the volume of cards sold - Nvidia would outsell AMD even of they launched on the same day. There's no denying that.

Im saying nvidia had more cards at more pricepoints available for Q1 2025. Their whole lineup was out, while amd that supposedly focuses on the lower end of the market only had 700 and 850$ cards. I've never seen a 5060ti being out of stock, not in the EU or US. You are just repeating some false narrative that you are reading online. It's not true. They've been available since day one.

TomorrowHolds no water? Only a fanboy could write something like that by dismissing all legitimate complaints against Nvidia as "vitriol".
You say you dont want to associate with a cult. Yet you are already in another cult that ignores all legitimate complaints as "vitriol" and buys the same thing at higher price just because. If you had told me you bought it for legitimate reason like CUDA or better performance in pro editing/rendering programs i could at least understand it because those are the areas AMD is most lagging behind.

Im not dismissing anything, im saying amd drivers are problematic as well, evident by a huge megathread. When you have 8% of the market obviously your issues ain't going to get so much coverage but that doesn't mean they aren't there.

Im not in any cult, im buying nvidia on my desktop cause amd doesn't offer products at that performance level. If they did, I'd have no issue buying amd, just like I did with my laptop.

TomorrowIs it any different to how Nvidia elitist's call AMD buyers "dumb" and "poor" all the time?

Never happens. Not in this forum at least. The other way around is whats happening on every single thread. I personally never called anyone anything based on his gpu. In fact just the last 2 days ive suggested people should buy amd over nvidia multiple times.

Neo_MorpheusAt this point, I want AMD to pull out of the gaming market just to see what else will Dear Leader Jensen pull and how much more the Ngreedia fanbois will take before finally saying its enough abuse.

It's ironic but most of the 92% are 'average Joes' while those in the 8% are the fanboys.

SquaredNvidia introduced G-Sync, ray tracing, and DLSS, while AMD has only introduced Mantle in that timeframe.

Notice how most of Nvidia's features are software features. AMD's features are mostly hardware features. Yes there's some exceptions here and there.
What did AMD introduce?

EyeFinity for multi monitor setups in 2009. Nvidia later followed with Surround in 2010 but it was not as good.
Mantle in 2013. Eventually morphed into Vulkan and lit fire under MS's ass to release DX12.
HBM in 2015. Yes it did not work out, but at least they tried something new with consumer GPU's. Nvidia only used HBM for workstation cards.
Radeon Chill in 2017 to dynamically adjust framerate based on user input. Nvidia later introduced something similar, but only for laptops.
SAM (ReBAR) for faster VRAM access. Nvidia again followed later with 30 series, but on whitelist basis for games.
DisplayPort 2.1 support in 2022. Arguably they dropped the ball this year by not moving to UHBR20 like Nvidia did.

TomorrowNotice how most of Nvidia's features are software features.

Yes. Nvidia has been a software company for over a decade now. It’s been the key to their success.

Did you miss when Lisa Su declared that AMD is now a software company also?

TomorrowNotice how most of Nvidia's features are software features. AMD's features are mostly hardware features. Yes there's some exceptions here and there.
What did AMD introduce?

Isn't RT and DLSS a hardware feature?

JustBenchingIm sure its' higher than 20, but sure, let's go with it., steam stats include non dGPUs.

You are sure based on what exactly? Hopes and dreams?

I manually counted the percentages from Steam HW Survey page and i even included Nvidia laptop models specifically so no one could say i purposefully diminished Nvidia's percentages. 21,35% across four different generations and ~7 years.

JustBenchingIm not dismissing anything, im saying amd drivers are problematic as well, evident by a huge megathread. When you have 8% of the market obviously your issues ain't going to get so much coverage but that doesn't mean they aren't there.

What's your point then? There's no company on earth that does not have driver problems. Nvidia included. Yet all i see from apologists is how it was the biased reviewer who made a video about those driver problems or how these issues dont exist because they have not experienced it. Anyone looking at Nvidia's forums can find plenty of threads about driver problems. Plus i did not even say AMD's drivers are better or problem free. You yourself brought this up out of nowhere.

JustBenchingIm not in any cult

That's what a cultist would say...

JustBenchingNever happens. Not in this forum at least. The other way around is whats happening on every single thread.

You have read every thread on this forum? You cant reliably claim it never happens, here or elsewhere.
Yet you claim the opposite is happening in every single thread in here.

I dont believe anyone who says that one thing is never happening and the other thing is always happening.
Also i did not accuse you, specifically for using those terms. Im just saying it happens on both sides.

JustBenchingIsn't RT and DLSS a hardware feature?

Like i said - Exceptions. Please read my post properly.

TomorrowYou are sure based on what exactly? Hopes and dreams?

Based on the fact that the 7900xtx was the highest selling AMD card according to steam. A lot of people buy cards over 500$, not just 20%.

TomorrowWhat's your point then? There's no company on earth that does not have driver problems. Nvidia included. Yet all i see from apologists is how it was the biased reviewer who made a video about those driver problems or how these issues dont exist because they have not experienced it. Anyone looking at Nvidia's forums can find plenty of threads about driver problems. Plus i did not even say AMD's drivers are better or problem free. You yourself brought this up out of nowhere.

I didn't bring this out of nowhere. Guy keeps repeating it ad nauseam every thread. So I responded that - of course driver issues won't stop someome from buying nvidia since amd has at least just as many. Common sense really.

TomorrowYou have read every thread on this forum? You cant reliably claim it never happens, here or elsewhere.
Yet you claim the opposite is happening in every single thread in here.

I can reliably claim it happens at least 20 times as much towards nvidia. It doesn't take a genius, take the last 20 threads with amd or nvidia in the name and start reading. How may times you read "broken drivers, missing rops, 8gb vram, stagnation and yet people keep buying"

JustBenchingBased on the fact that the 7900xtx was the highest selling AMD card according to steam. A lot of people buy cards over 500$, not just 20%.

Your argument was that 70, 80 and 90 class cards were 50% of the user base which i proved is false. It's 21,35%.
7900 XTX is 0,52%. 7800 XT and 7700 XT combined are 0,59% and the chart does not even show 7600 models. So even that is false. Less people bought the XTX compared to the rest of the series. Individually it was the most popular card in the series but that's about it.

TomorrowYour argument was that 70, 80 and 90 class cards were 50% of the user base which i proved is false. It's 21,35%.
7900 XTX is 0,52%. 7800 XT and 7700 XT combined are 0,59% and the chart does not even show 7600 models. So even that is false. Less people bought the XTX compared to the rest of the series. Individually it was the most popular card in the series but that's about it.

I said it was the highest selling amd card, and you said that's false because it was the most popular card in the series. Sorry, what? So it was the highest selling card, just like I claimed. So clearly, a big % buys higher end gpus.

JustBenchingExpected, Nvidia released models for all budgets much earlier than the competition.

Right?! IDK why people are freaking out over these numbers. The 9070XT didn't even launch until March. Wait for Q2 to see the real head to head sales numbers.

JustBenchingIn some synthetics, it does, in gaming, not really. Go over the SOTR thread if you want and take a look.

Btw anyone can claim the same, all that noise about the nvidia drivers? I didnt have an issue either. Yet I keep hearing people yap about it

I was going off Steel Nomad but yeah I didn't spend much time as it's only a temporary card until next gen and in real world you couldn't tell them apart bar you wallet being a lot better off buying the 9070xt.

On Nvidia drivers I've no clue bar most owners I know are having issues constantly lately including Dune Awakening needing an what they called an emergency patch to stop crashing which two family members had with both being 30 series cards so it looks like Nvidia drivers aren't only causing issues for current hardware but at least in that case the driver was released in a timely manner.

Broken ProcessorI was going off Steel Nomad but yeah I didn't spend much time as it's only a temporary card until next gen and in real world you couldn't tell them apart bar you wallet being a lot better off buying the 9070xt.

On Nvidia drivers I've no clue bar most owners I know are having issues constantly lately including Dune Awakening needing an what they called an emergency patch to stop crashing which two family members had with both being 30 series cards so it looks like Nvidia drivers aren't only causing issues for current hardware but at least in that case the driver was released in a timely manner.

Well I keep hearing this and I guess it might depend on your location but in EU the price difference between a 9070xt and a 5070ti is 70€ - both in stock readily available.:D

Prima.VeraAMD should have launched first the latest gen, not wait for nGreedia first and adapt the prices accordingly.
Sometimes I feel that the Marketing and Management idiots from AMD are too incompetent to lift that company .

More like every time. Its like they have friday afternoon brainstorm sessions on how to creatively screw up the next launch this time. They are way out of touch with what good marketing means.

Another issue AMD has is time to market. They're following, and they never take a small risk to seriously compete with the leader. Its always wait and see mode. Anyone expecting that to culminate into leadership somehow, isn't paying attention. Its clearly not AMD's goal either. But it should be, they also missed the AI boat because of this.

Considering that it's looking like Xbox won't have a next generation console, AMD's GPU division only has the PS6 to look forward to. Apart from that it's Nvidia's monopoly in desktop, laptop and now the Switch 2.

JustBenchingWell I keep hearing this and I guess it might depend on your location but in EU the price difference between a 9070xt and a 5070ti is 70€ - both in stock readily available.
:D

You're about right for here in the UK I'd save the money and buy a game or just pocket the difference why pay more for the same performance only reason I can think of is tribalism which I could care less about I've owned equal amounts of AMD and Nvidia but my personal opinion is AMD has the upper hand in quality this generation.

I can't speak about people falling to Nvidia propaganda but it's very clear Nvidia set the dirty tricks department to full with the 8gb cards and all the people complaining about drivers can't be wrong but I think there are a lot of bots throwing shade in both sides. AMD got battered with RDNA 2 driver issues threads and mine ran flawlessly and People I know who run Nvidia cards haven't had issues either bar a couple of games that where fixed so in my limited exposure both companies are doing fine in that department with Nvidia being slightly worse currently but they will get on top of it if they wish to but with AI being their focus people might just need to adjust to not being the favourite at Nvidia and expect a lower standard.

WhoDecidedThatConsidering that it's looking like Xbox won't have a next generation console, AMD's GPU division only has the PS6 to look forward to. Apart from that it's Nvidia's monopoly in desktop, laptop and now the Switch 2.

The strangest thing I have family members who are massive Nintendo fans and neither of them are getting the switch 2 until their current one dies or there's a game they want I'm sure the switch 2 will be a hit but the game prices for physical games has angered them no end they have the money it's just they see bad value.

Broken ProcessorYou're about right for he in the UK I'd save the money and buy a game or just pocket the difference why pay more for the same performance only reason I can think of is tribalism which I could care less about I've owned equal amounts of AMD and Nvidia but my personal opinion is AMD has the upper hand in quality this generation.

Im not in disagreement, if you don't think the 70ti is worth 70€ extra more power to you and all that, im just saying it's not as bad a deal as people want you to think it is. It's 15% faster in RT and god knows how much faster in PT so it costing 9% more money is completely reasonable. Now you shouldn't pay 70€ extra if you are not going to be using RT / PT obviously, but that doesn't make the 70ti overpriced. It has to be more expensive than the 9070xt since it's the better card.

JustBenchingIm not in disagreement, if you don't think the 70ti is worth 70€ extra more power to you and all that, im just saying it's not as bad a deal as people want you to think it is. It's 15% faster in RT and god knows how much faster in PT so it costing 9% more money is completely reasonable. Now you shouldn't pay 70€ extra if you are not going to be using RT / PT obviously, but that doesn't make the 70ti overpriced. It has to be more expensive than the 9070xt since it's the better card.

My reasoning is will spending the extra 70€ for 15% performance (which is incorrect in real world performance based my own card which is faster than a 5070ti) benefit the buyer? If the performance requirements the customer has is that tight I'd argue that stepping up a class to the 5080 card would be the smarter approach even if it meant saving a bit more.

Radeon buyers are truly altruistic folk, their existence is for the common good. Smarter and of course morally superior too. They stand for the greater good, against evil and using such hardware in your luxury item gaming pc elevates your personal status to reflect these ideals because, let's face it, it simply makes you smarter and better than anyone who doesn't make the same brand choice. Everyone else just doesn't realise it yet, but they will come to see the error of their ways eventually.

Nvidia buyers? Sheep, the lot of them. Duped by marketing material, utterly shackled to the non-lock-in features because, let's just say it, they're leather jacket worshipping drones who all bow to the the leather jacket man on a personal level, lest they be exiled. They feed the greed because they either don't know that there's a morally superior choice, or they don't care because they absolutely despise that any competition in this space exists, their very existence is dedicated to Jensen. I'm fairly sure there are zero nvidia buyers not in this group, if what were told is to be believed.

I want to put the /s, I really do, I've laughed so many times writing this, but for some is barely an exaggeration of what they really think, for others it's effectively verbatim.

The actual reality of the matter?

All 3 companies make compelling products with great features and support, between them catering to all corners of the market and potential buyers and, above all, enthusiasts such as ourselves on these forums. We choose a product based on a multi-variate assessment of a given products performance, features, specs, cost, personal desires and projected service life rated against our personal buying criteria, and no answer is inherently wrong from anyone else's perspective except the person parting with money for a card.

Any given companies market share in this space is almost entirely a reflection of the companies actual offerings, considerely wholly, in said market, and almost entirely nothing else.

I remain willing to hear arguments to the contrary, but given the slim number of arguments we've been hearing on repeat, with perhaps minor variations for what a decade? Maybe two now? I won't hold my breath for new ground being broken.

tfdsafI don't even believe this. There is no way Nvidia is outselling AMD in 2025. However they are measuring this data it must be wrong. No one wants the 5070 and 5070ti at these prices and even your average pc dumbass knows bad value and at least delays buying a new pc for half a year or a year.

Nvidia is fudging the figures by including dGPUs meant for the AI market.

wolfWe choose a product based on a multi-variate assessment of a given products performance, features, specs, cost, personal desires and projected service life rated against our personal buying criteria, and no answer is inherently wrong from anyone else's perspective except the person parting with money for a card.

You're sarcasm aside, projected service life was my only disappointment with my 6800xt I fully expected it to last until next gen. It was completely unexpected and the last time I had such a failure was a GTX 480. I can't complain it just made its value proposition worse in lost service time and no resale value will definitely affect my decision making next generation.

Broken ProcessorMy reasoning is will spending the extra 70€ for 15% performance (which is incorrect in real world performance based my own card which is faster than a 5070ti) benefit the buyer?

Yes, if he uses RT and PT then the extra performance will benefit the buyer. I mean you did the exact same thing yourself by buying the 9070xt over the normal 9070.

Saying it's incorrect in real world performance is just not correct. Wanna try a game with RT? I have a bunch of 5070tis - we can compare with your 9070xt if you wish.

JustBenchingYes, if he uses RT and PT then the extra performance will benefit the buyer. I mean you did the exact same thing yourself by buying the 9070xt over the normal 9070.

Saying it's incorrect in real world performance is just not correct. Wanna try a game with RT? I have a bunch of 5070tis - we can compare with your 9070xt if you wish.

But will it really? I mean if your playing a RT/PT game then you're also probably using DLSS or FSR so no your extra RT performance is not required as daddy Jenson says you've got a 4090 with DLSS 4 /s. You can of course try to run these games without frame gen but on that class cards your not in for a great time for the most part. This is the paradox of modern GPU's, buy our super dupper fastest best hardware then use software AI generated frames to make your new hardware sing. It's all a magic show at this point.

Broken ProcessorYou're sarcasm aside, projected service life was my only disappointment with my 6800xt I fully expected it to last until next gen. It was completely unexpected and the last time I had such a failure was a GTX 480. I can't complain it just made its value proposition worse in lost service time and no resale value will definitely affect my decision making next generation.

That legitimately sucks and I'd expect any hardware of the same vintage to be kicking strong today. I'm sorry that happened.

Curiously, what's your plan for replacing it?

Broken ProcessorBut will it really? I mean if your playing a RT/PT game then you're also probably using DLSS or FSR so no your extra RT performance is not required as daddy Jenson says you've got a 4090 with DLSS 4 /s. You can of course try to run these games without frame gen but on that class cards your not in for a great time for the most part. This is the paradox of modern GPU's, buy our super dupper fastest best hardware then use software AI generated frames to make your new hardware sing. It's all a magic show at this point.

I do not get the argument "since you are using DLSS / FSR extra performance isn't required". But anyways, i was mostly addressing the part where you didn't believe that the 70ti is in fact a bunch faster in RT.