Itt: green fanboys vs red fanboys trying to defend their beloved companies while attacking the other "team".
Meanwhile both companies do not give a shit about either of them while racking record profits year over year :laugh:

JustBenchingAnd nothing will change, since amd is already copying whatever nvidia is doing, them pulling out of the gpu market will have less than 0 impact. Just - they need to make sure they close the door on their way out, aight?


Just FYI, and I know no one has brought it up before even though we keep getting pestered about ngreedias drivers - it's time we put a stop to this nonsense. Here you go, a 1.2k+ comments megathread will lots of issues on the 9070 and 9070xt. And let's be clear here, with a tiny 8% marketshare and just 2 GPU models available, the mere existence of a giant giga mega thread should put an end to this whole debate. But yeah, nvidias drivers are bad man :D

AMDHelp/comments/1j6ksd1/megathread_rx_9070_xt_black_screen_freezing_issues

Who is "we" in the we keep getting pestered about nvidia drivers? Do you work for Nvidia?

If you want a mega thread for nvidia you got one for the melting cables: nvidia/comments/1inpox7/rtx_50_series_12vhpwr_megathread
Here is an nvidia megathread with hundreds of comments about the latest drivers: nvidia/comments/1l2o80a/geforce_hotfix_display_driver_version_57666
I have no real dog in this fight but I don't understand either side in downplaying the respective side issues?

Hecate91Not surprising to see people still bought rtx 50 series cards despite all of the issues such as melting connectors, missing rops, and multiple driver updates causing black screens and crashes. The mindshare, marketing, and brand recognition are powerful enough to convince consumers to buy overpriced cards regardless of the problems.
And the gaming market is so screwed when people will empty their wallet for the leather jacket man no matter what, AMD cutting prices has never worked to outsell the competition.

Had to do it. The AI performance was just too good and the 9070s that are in stock are so over MSRP that it makes NVIDIA look like a bargain.

tfdsafI don't even believe this. There is no way Nvidia is outselling AMD in 2025. However they are measuring this data it must be wrong. No one wants the 5070 and 5070ti at these prices and even your average pc dumbass knows bad value and at least delays buying a new pc for half a year or a year.

AMD hasn't had anything available under $550 for months now, of course NVIDIA is outselling them. AMD isn't even close to their MSRP either.

igormpItt: green fanboys vs red fanboys trying to defend their beloved companies while attacking the other "team".
Meanwhile both companies do not give a shit about either of them while racking record profits year over year :laugh:

Blue fanboys getting forgotten about yet again :(

TomorrowIm basing this on the fact that Nvidia has done this 3 times in a row. That's a pattern. Unless they explicitly state they wont do that again im going to assume the pattern will continue. AMD has done this once and for good reason. One occurrence is not enough for me to conclude that it will keep happening. If they do this again i will change my opinion.

DLSS 4 works on 2018 gpus. That's all I got to say in the matter

TomorrowAnd is Nvidia better? You think that because they still support Maxwell from 2015 that it receives game optimizations?
Also you said "cutting off support". Now that i proved that the last driver is only a month old you move the goal posts and whine about lack of game optimizations. As if there's a whole lot to optimize or improve on an 8 year old GPU architecture. And if there were game optimizations you would say that it's a month out of date etc. Just take the L and stop spreading FUD.

Yes, nvidia is much better. Last time I checked they aren't selling maxwell chips while cutting off support like amd does. Take the L and stop spreading FUD (why do you have to turn a conversation into a toxic cesspool is beyond me).

TomorrowIYou're talking about RDNA 5 which none of us knows anything about. And you're basing this on the fact that it happened with RDNA 4 once.

Exactly, none of us knows nothing about it, buying a gpu cause you think you want get cut off from something you know nothing about is crazy.

CraptacularI have no real dog in this fight but I don't understand either side in downplaying the respective side issues?

That's the opposite of what im doing. Im not downplaying anyside. Im seeing the amd side for whatever reason overexaggerate the nvidia issues while ignoring the amd ones, just because they bought an amd gpu and try to defend their purchase beyond any logic or rationality.

Jon Peddie Research (JPR) numbers are still more estimates than hard sales numbers.

But yes, everything else agrees with them - AMD is apparently so focussed on server CPUs that they can’t even completely dominate PC CPU market, despite the Intel’s blunders - they simply can’t make CPUs fast enough, so the prices remain unappealingly high. And in GPU they are fighting an uphill battle - Nvidia has basically become industry standard. Even if AMD somehow lost their fabrication constraints, they would first focus elsewhere.

JustBenchingDLSS 4 works on 2018 gpus. That's all I got to say in the matter

Like i said before. Doing one thing right does not make up for doing many things wrong.

JustBenchingYes, nvidia is much better. Last time I checked they aren't selling maxwell chips while cutting off support like amd does. Take the L and stop spreading FUD (why do you have to turn a conversation into a toxic cesspool is beyond me).

So in your eyes Nvidia is much better only because they dont sell these products that dont receive game optimizations?
Is that supposed to make the owners of those products feel better or what?

And to be clear. List the products you claim AMD still sells with Vega because as far as i can see everything they sell now in 2025 has some form of at least RDNA 2 (like Steam Deck. PS5 etc) in it. The best i could find were 3 old Pro series dGPU's based on Radeon VII and ultra low end 200GE, 2200G, 3000G, 3200G and 3400G CPU's. None of these are new products. They're old stock and no one in their right mind should buy these new as there are much better options available now.

JustBenchingExactly, none of us knows nothing about it, buying a gpu cause you think you want get cut off from something you know nothing about is crazy.

Yeah go figure. Basing my current purchasing decision on what as happened in the past. If company screws over their buyers 3 times in a row i should just trust them no to do it the 4th time because...?

JustBenchingThat's the opposite of what im doing. Im not downplaying anyside. Im seeing the amd side for whatever reason overexaggerate the nvidia issues while ignoring the amd ones, just because they bought an amd gpu and try to defend their purchase beyond any logic or rationality.

Says the guy claiming massive issues with 9070 cards and linking a thread that has 1,1k responses in 3 months (not all of them even driver issues).
AMD has likely sold over 100k of 9070 series cards. If 1000 people are having driver problems then that's 1% which is in line with usual consumer electronics of 2-3%.

If 9070 issues are so prevalent and AMD drivers are so bad then why hasn't anyone made a video about it? They have made videos about 50 series issues including drivers. I checked Youtube. Even framechasers who has historically been very critical of AMD and who coined the term "AMDip" gave 9070 XT drivers a fairly positive review.

Im not ignoring AMD issues. That is if i knew what those issues were exactly because so far I've seen only "AMD drivers bad" that lacks anything specific. Like i said before, with 9070 XT included i have now owned equal number of Nvidia and AMD cards. I was on Nvidia for the past 9 years from 2016 to 2025. I didn't defend Nvidia then and im not defending AMD now just because i bought their card.

This generation im seeing far more Nvidia expats moving to AMD. I suppose i could be considered as one. For many it's their first AMD card. I wonder why that is? Maybe they had had enough of Nvidia's BS?

Some videos for context:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbFj-payXkU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT7sCquB1ME

TomorrowLike i said before. Doing one thing right does not make up for doing many things wrong.

Exactly. So AMD doing one thing right doesn't mean that's ok for FSR 4 not working on 1k+ flagships.

TomorrowSo in your eyes Nvidia is much better only because they dont sell these products that dont receive game optimizations?
Is that supposed to make the owners of those products feel better or what?

Owners of these products had many years of driver support.

TomorrowAnd to be clear. List the products you claim AMD still sells with Vega because as far as i can see everything they sell now in 2025 has some form of at least RDNA 2 (like Steam Deck. PS5 etc) in it. The best i could find were 3 old Pro series dGPU's based on Radeon VII and ultra low end 200GE, 2200G, 3000G, 3200G and 3400G CPU's. None of these are new products. They're old stock and no one in their right mind should buy these new as there are much better options available now.

Lots of products that have released in 2023 and 2024. Easy example, the whole Barcelo-R lineup is made of vega igpus. 7330u for example - they even name as they are brand new lol.

I own 2 of these products with vega graphics btw.

TomorrowYeah go figure. Basing my current purchasing decision on what as happened in the past. If company screws over their buyers 3 times in a row i should just trust them no to do it the 4th time because...?

But so did the guy that bought the 5070ti. He likes upscaling so he is afraid amd will cut off FSR 5 from the 9070xt while nvidia has a much better track record of not doing that,since DLSS4 is supported by 2018 gpus.

TomorrowSays the guy claiming massive issues with 9070 cards and linking a thread that has 1,1k responses in 3 months (not all of them even driver issues).
AMD has likely sold over 100k of 9070 series cards. If 1000 people are having driver problems then that's 1% which is in line with usual consumer electronics of 2-3%.

And what % do you think have driver issues with nvidia? You are having double standards here.

TomorrowIf 9070 issues are so prevalent and AMD drivers are so bad then why hasn't anyone made a video about it? They have made videos about 50 series issues including drivers. I checked Youtube. Even framechasers who has historically been very critical of AMD and who coined the term "AMDip" gave 9070 XT drivers a fairly positive review.

Cause they have 8% of the market. Also because it's just monday. AMD having severe driver issues isn't something that will make news, it's something expected. Nvidia not having good drivers is something out of the blue. The videos you posted yourself prove it just by reading the titles. "Bulletproof reputation". There you have it.

TomorrowThis generation im seeing far more Nvidia expats moving to AMD. I suppose i could be considered as one. For many it's their first AMD card. I wonder why that is? Maybe they had had enough of Nvidia's BS?

Sadly marketshare says a different story, it keeps on dropping.

But im out of this discussion, it lacks any kind of rationality, have the last word.

I have nothing more to add. It's like talking to a green wall. Hopefully others reading these posts saw that i tried to counter generalized false statements with facts and numbers and they learned something from these posts.

TomorrowI have nothing more to add. It's like talking to a green wall. Hopefully others reading these posts saw that i tried to counter generalized false statements with facts and numbers and they learned something from these posts.

I suppose it's inconceivable to some that you (and many others) would dare to try the competition and actually have a good experience.

Things will get interesting if the AI bubble bursts, massively freeing up supply in the discrete GPU market, but that is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

Event HorizonI suppose it's inconceivable to some that you (and many others) would dare to try the competition and actually have a good experience.

Both vendors provide perfectly fine GPU experiences. Even Intel, after initial teething pains, is absolutely usable. Any discussion about preferring one driver suite over the other is peak subjective analysis. People get into arguments that are not actually relevant to the topic at hand, which is NV near monopoly levels of market share. There is more to this than just one side having the (almost memetic at this point) “better drivers” or anything having to do with RT/PT. It’s just a fairly simple fact that once you lose market share and play catch up it’s ENORMOUSLY difficult to recover that loss. We’ve seen it before in many, many markets. Hell, even for AMD themselves they are still not leading the CPU market, not even close, despite the fact that, unlike GPUs, their products ARE dominant there in terms of objective qualities. So it is with GPUs - it’s all very fine and good that RDNA 4 is a good series with almost feature parity to NV and offered at a reasonable-ish price. That by itself absolutely won’t move the needle after almost a decade of fucking up.